Call: oz/2025/08/31/DIA439be01a2934efa84a76f9c0d0da7d99
Provider: ozonetel
Recording date: 2025-08-31
Duration: 15.8 min
Transcript generated from the recording in October 2026 by automatic speech recognition (Whisper large-v3-turbo).

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[00:00 - 00:28] Hello. Hello? Yeah? Lee and I am Charlie, just like some skill at the church. Yeah yeah, tell me. Just wanted to check in about basic queries you have for everything. Okay so we continue with this call only? Like can we have a description right away? But if you want it on Zoom call? Whichever way is suitable to you more convenient for you
[00:28 - 00:56] Okay. So, Shmanevi basically you know my main problem is I just give a brief about my profile we have been working with the bank for 14 years okay and in 2016 i left the bank because of my even to incur the motherhood since then i am being unemployed okay so 2016
[00:56 - 01:19] Okay, I was into banking. I have done my MBA in finance and post of my MBA, I started working immediately. And for 14 years, I worked with the bank. I had a good career growth over there. My last designation was Vice President in Access Bank where I was heading a team of 200 people. But now the problem is because of this career gap which I have
[01:19 - 01:42] Now when you are talking about personal branding, I am a little confused on how to go about it because there is substantial gap. So... Yeah that was 9 years. Yeah so i'm wondering as if see.. When I contacted Skill Habitaj before I had enrolled for the Women4AI. Okay?
[01:42 - 02:09] But then I thought that Woon for area is basically for freelancing jobs kind of a thing. And, I want to go into full-time job again back because now my kids are grown up so i can go back through the full time career and at same time since I have 14 years experience and at senior level I do have an experience So let me even track my independent director Because this is more long term things
[02:09 - 02:38] which doesn't have any retirement age or anything. So, you know simultaneously I thought of doing this as well. Now my...I spoke to the RM who had pitched for this particular course like an independent director so he said that you can look around building your brand based on your previous profile or you can Look for some other topic which is more related to career break or motherhood or something like that but my problem is just
[02:38 - 03:05] You know, first of all the batch where I am they are already senior. So for them when you talk something about personal branding or area of expertise it is very crystal clear but for me i'm still confused as to how can position myself. Okay, she said couple things out here even though do have a gap of 9-9 years? To be honest with you even I have a gaff 8 years
[03:05 - 03:33] yeah i took a break because of the family again and then I came back to industry where I also upgraded myself with all the AI thing. So, see...I believe that going on a practical is not at all an issue fatherhood was again a full-time job we have been doing so they actually do consider that but that won't be an issue altogether
[03:33 - 03:58] Now, coming to the other aspects of it how you build your personal brand wherein see in these 10 years there have been a lot changes in the industry. But then keeping in mind that experience that you hold for 14 years or 13 years in the banking industry not many things are still the same. You will find a lot of banking stuff the same they might be
[03:58 - 04:27] You know, just to take a very basic stuff. There might be some changes in the policies. Some kind of interest rate. Maybe some kind of customer satisfaction there is actually built up. There may be slight changes and few other things but not everywhere. Banking has been still the same. The investment part and all those parts remain the same Right? Banking as a sector have made some changes
[04:27 - 04:57] Mainly on the technological trends, there has been a lot of development. Digitalization has grown up. My main problem is when we go for an independent director what I understand is that your personal branding plays very important role and network networking Now even in industry that I have specialized in banking Banking is not never small banks are big
[04:57 - 05:25] Okay. And the independent directors which they hold are really with, you know... Like my ex-MD was Shikha Sharma is an independent director on a lot of boards. Okay? On finance companies or bank boards as an independent Director So that's kind of profile which ideally a Bank or financial institution looks at for independent directors They will not look me as potential candidate You know
[05:25 - 05:53] for it because the call is really very high. So I feel that if i target banking as an industry or being a ID then it may not fetch me, If my job got to get to work so I will have an ID on for 14 years with this. You know its as simple and putting it very blunt. I am talking about consentments from today's time when I talk about consentment and tell them that I want back into banking industry they say it is difficult because their industry is very rigid
[05:53 - 06:08] Okay and you know even getting a job in the banking industry at level which I was or a level below is a task currently. And hurt me for last one year, and am not getting a Job okay?
[06:08 - 06:38] So then to aspire to become an independent director in some financial institution or a fintech, even for that matter banking is difficult. I don't think they will consider my profile as being an independent Director.
[06:38 - 07:07] in other forms, it cannot be banks. So that's where I want to brainstorm and understand what could be a potential stream of industry when I can pitch myself as an independent director accordingly I can look at doing my personal branding.
[07:07 - 07:35] about personal and this is nothing apart from showcasing your social media now that can always happen when you write different kind of posts on LinkedIn, you write some blogs, create a website and show your presence in the market. And taking into consideration as you have a gap
[07:35 - 08:04] Why I am thinking this is because you need to think faster as compared with me. So, you would be like, you know, I'm not talking about the industry right now. I'm just talking about personal branding irrespective of the industry these are few things where you need build up yourself. See, I do understand. Shallow Lee and very crystal clear that when it comes to personal branding okay
[08:04 - 08:33] We need to look at, you know, putting or optimizing our LinkedIn profile. Positioning ourselves in LinkedIn and on other social platforms in that particular direction. But my main basic problem is which industry should I target? Because I feel that banking is not the industry where I had experience can even consider me as an independent director because it's money
[08:33 - 09:00] It's a big organization. They don't consider a profile like this for independent directors. Normally, XMDs and all are considered or CEOs or CXOs are considered as independent director. So definitely I feel that I need to position myself differently. Okay? Not as a banker but differently. But I am not able to find that niche where I can start building my personal branding.
[09:01 - 09:26] When I attend your lecture, I get a little confused as to which industry potentially I can start with. And I am taking it as the clean sheet now because nothing has been done before. Now I can stop from scratch and do it accordingly. Okay? So if that requires some kind of skilling for my end, then I'm ready to do it. But then...
[09:26 - 09:55] I am very much, I don't know if your experience talks differently then let me know but my feel is that with 14 years of experience in a bank. I don t think so... In a Bank or financial institution even with the strongest network I cannot be landing up as an independent director because it has been a small and small bank to have a balance sheet
[09:55 - 10:25] So, that's the reason I was just thinking.
[10:25 - 10:53] Okay.
[10:53 - 11:19] to call you up and figure it out what which she can help you, how it can be done. If my personal branding will be there I'll help with your personal branding. Okay and secondly another challenge that i see while doing the personal branding is now one branding we average i will do will be inclined towards becoming an independent director okay
[11:19 - 11:45] But at the same time, I'm also hunting for a job. So I want to use my LinkedIn only for hunting for jobs. How do you know balance between the two? That is another thing that's going on in my mind. For independent director positioning has to be really elevated one but at the
[11:45 - 12:11] then my previous expertise also need to be you know somewhere kept in loop. So again, I will kill myself there.
[12:11 - 12:40] Sorry, your voice is cracking this time. I can understand the independent director stuff might be a little difficult thing for you right now. So... I think we should check with government and then we should just check in our department later on. Okay. I think she's been off today for her so I'll have to call tomorrow and take it out of standing once we start with her
[12:40 - 13:07] I'll come back to you and we can talk about personal branding. Because the same resource, I'm going to use for multi-purpose which is independent director another one for taking a full time job so like if you know it's...I don't how but if you help me get a job use optimized LinkedIn for getting a job then be work on
[13:07 - 13:37] Elevating it for the independent director, that also is okay for me. This is my personal suggestion to you. Sorry your voice is cracking. Which all courses have you enrolled? Like independent director and what else? Sorry? I must have enrolled for a couple of courses not only for the
[13:37 - 14:06] couple of portals for the job or for this? We have a bundle of portal which we offer. Yeah, so there is corporate governance independent director and personal branding that's also others That's it? yeah that's it from skill to touch that only I'm doing from IMM started with certification for FinTech and risk management So yeah
[14:06 - 14:35] So risk management and fintech is because getting into banking is a little difficult. I thought of doing fintec because that is more related to technology as well as risks in technology. That is another niche that I am trying to target, because risk is another very big area. And I somewhere thought that our technology and this also will be of importance as the director you know that we help
[14:35 - 15:02] Because normally companies would, as small startups and all they would require a person who is well aware of risk. And you know how FinTech works or I have AI used in the financial domain so from that perspective i thought maybe that upskilling will help me So im doing course for my man which into FinTech and Risk Management
[15:02 - 15:30] So where we will look, you know, we will be learning about blockchain and different payment streams. And what are the risks involved over there? How to do data analysis using the latest technologies like Python and all. So that will be covered. That's a good thing with it. We can definitely work on it. I'll let Dagan call you today or tomorrow. And then he just check us out how we can get this process.
[15:30 - 15:40] Thank you so much. Don't worry, I just want to talk to you. Okay thank you for your time

=== Full text ===
Hello. Hello? Yeah? Lee and I am Charlie, just like some skill at the church. Yeah yeah, tell me. Just wanted to check in about basic queries you have for everything. Okay so we continue with this call only? Like can we have a description right away? But if you want it on Zoom call? Whichever way is suitable to you more convenient for you Okay. So, Shmanevi basically you know my main problem is I just give a brief about my profile we have been working with the bank for 14 years okay and in 2016 i left the bank because of my even to incur the motherhood since then i am being unemployed okay so 2016 Okay, I was into banking. I have done my MBA in finance and post of my MBA, I started working immediately. And for 14 years, I worked with the bank. I had a good career growth over there. My last designation was Vice President in Access Bank where I was heading a team of 200 people. But now the problem is because of this career gap which I have Now when you are talking about personal branding, I am a little confused on how to go about it because there is substantial gap. So... Yeah that was 9 years. Yeah so i'm wondering as if see.. When I contacted Skill Habitaj before I had enrolled for the Women4AI. Okay? But then I thought that Woon for area is basically for freelancing jobs kind of a thing. And, I want to go into full-time job again back because now my kids are grown up so i can go back through the full time career and at same time since I have 14 years experience and at senior level I do have an experience So let me even track my independent director Because this is more long term things which doesn't have any retirement age or anything. So, you know simultaneously I thought of doing this as well. Now my...I spoke to the RM who had pitched for this particular course like an independent director so he said that you can look around building your brand based on your previous profile or you can Look for some other topic which is more related to career break or motherhood or something like that but my problem is just You know, first of all the batch where I am they are already senior. So for them when you talk something about personal branding or area of expertise it is very crystal clear but for me i'm still confused as to how can position myself. Okay, she said couple things out here even though do have a gap of 9-9 years? To be honest with you even I have a gaff 8 years yeah i took a break because of the family again and then I came back to industry where I also upgraded myself with all the AI thing. So, see...I believe that going on a practical is not at all an issue fatherhood was again a full-time job we have been doing so they actually do consider that but that won't be an issue altogether Now, coming to the other aspects of it how you build your personal brand wherein see in these 10 years there have been a lot changes in the industry. But then keeping in mind that experience that you hold for 14 years or 13 years in the banking industry not many things are still the same. You will find a lot of banking stuff the same they might be You know, just to take a very basic stuff. There might be some changes in the policies. Some kind of interest rate. Maybe some kind of customer satisfaction there is actually built up. There may be slight changes and few other things but not everywhere. Banking has been still the same. The investment part and all those parts remain the same Right? Banking as a sector have made some changes Mainly on the technological trends, there has been a lot of development. Digitalization has grown up. My main problem is when we go for an independent director what I understand is that your personal branding plays very important role and network networking Now even in industry that I have specialized in banking Banking is not never small banks are big Okay. And the independent directors which they hold are really with, you know... Like my ex-MD was Shikha Sharma is an independent director on a lot of boards. Okay? On finance companies or bank boards as an independent Director So that's kind of profile which ideally a Bank or financial institution looks at for independent directors They will not look me as potential candidate You know for it because the call is really very high. So I feel that if i target banking as an industry or being a ID then it may not fetch me, If my job got to get to work so I will have an ID on for 14 years with this. You know its as simple and putting it very blunt. I am talking about consentments from today's time when I talk about consentment and tell them that I want back into banking industry they say it is difficult because their industry is very rigid Okay and you know even getting a job in the banking industry at level which I was or a level below is a task currently. And hurt me for last one year, and am not getting a Job okay? So then to aspire to become an independent director in some financial institution or a fintech, even for that matter banking is difficult. I don't think they will consider my profile as being an independent Director. in other forms, it cannot be banks. So that's where I want to brainstorm and understand what could be a potential stream of industry when I can pitch myself as an independent director accordingly I can look at doing my personal branding. about personal and this is nothing apart from showcasing your social media now that can always happen when you write different kind of posts on LinkedIn, you write some blogs, create a website and show your presence in the market. And taking into consideration as you have a gap Why I am thinking this is because you need to think faster as compared with me. So, you would be like, you know, I'm not talking about the industry right now. I'm just talking about personal branding irrespective of the industry these are few things where you need build up yourself. See, I do understand. Shallow Lee and very crystal clear that when it comes to personal branding okay We need to look at, you know, putting or optimizing our LinkedIn profile. Positioning ourselves in LinkedIn and on other social platforms in that particular direction. But my main basic problem is which industry should I target? Because I feel that banking is not the industry where I had experience can even consider me as an independent director because it's money It's a big organization. They don't consider a profile like this for independent directors. Normally, XMDs and all are considered or CEOs or CXOs are considered as independent director. So definitely I feel that I need to position myself differently. Okay? Not as a banker but differently. But I am not able to find that niche where I can start building my personal branding. When I attend your lecture, I get a little confused as to which industry potentially I can start with. And I am taking it as the clean sheet now because nothing has been done before. Now I can stop from scratch and do it accordingly. Okay? So if that requires some kind of skilling for my end, then I'm ready to do it. But then... I am very much, I don't know if your experience talks differently then let me know but my feel is that with 14 years of experience in a bank. I don t think so... In a Bank or financial institution even with the strongest network I cannot be landing up as an independent director because it has been a small and small bank to have a balance sheet So, that's the reason I was just thinking. Okay. to call you up and figure it out what which she can help you, how it can be done. If my personal branding will be there I'll help with your personal branding. Okay and secondly another challenge that i see while doing the personal branding is now one branding we average i will do will be inclined towards becoming an independent director okay But at the same time, I'm also hunting for a job. So I want to use my LinkedIn only for hunting for jobs. How do you know balance between the two? That is another thing that's going on in my mind. For independent director positioning has to be really elevated one but at the then my previous expertise also need to be you know somewhere kept in loop. So again, I will kill myself there. Sorry, your voice is cracking this time. I can understand the independent director stuff might be a little difficult thing for you right now. So... I think we should check with government and then we should just check in our department later on. Okay. I think she's been off today for her so I'll have to call tomorrow and take it out of standing once we start with her I'll come back to you and we can talk about personal branding. Because the same resource, I'm going to use for multi-purpose which is independent director another one for taking a full time job so like if you know it's...I don't how but if you help me get a job use optimized LinkedIn for getting a job then be work on Elevating it for the independent director, that also is okay for me. This is my personal suggestion to you. Sorry your voice is cracking. Which all courses have you enrolled? Like independent director and what else? Sorry? I must have enrolled for a couple of courses not only for the couple of portals for the job or for this? We have a bundle of portal which we offer. Yeah, so there is corporate governance independent director and personal branding that's also others That's it? yeah that's it from skill to touch that only I'm doing from IMM started with certification for FinTech and risk management So yeah So risk management and fintech is because getting into banking is a little difficult. I thought of doing fintec because that is more related to technology as well as risks in technology. That is another niche that I am trying to target, because risk is another very big area. And I somewhere thought that our technology and this also will be of importance as the director you know that we help Because normally companies would, as small startups and all they would require a person who is well aware of risk. And you know how FinTech works or I have AI used in the financial domain so from that perspective i thought maybe that upskilling will help me So im doing course for my man which into FinTech and Risk Management So where we will look, you know, we will be learning about blockchain and different payment streams. And what are the risks involved over there? How to do data analysis using the latest technologies like Python and all. So that will be covered. That's a good thing with it. We can definitely work on it. I'll let Dagan call you today or tomorrow. And then he just check us out how we can get this process. Thank you so much. Don't worry, I just want to talk to you. Okay thank you for your time